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The Obama administration says the Fourth Amendment prohibition against unreasonable searches and seizures does not apply to cell-site information mobile phone carriers retain on their customers.

The position is being staked out in a little-noticed surveillance case pending before the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia. The case has wide-ranging implications for Americans, as most citizens have or will carry a mobile phone in their lifespan.

At issue is whether the government can require federal judges to order mobile phone companies to release historical cell-tower information of a phone number without probable cause — the standard required for a search warrant. While judges have varied on the issue, the resulting evidence can be used in a criminal prosecution.

Mobile phone providers keep such information for up to 18 months. Historical cell-site location information includes the tower connected at the beginning of a call and at the end of the call.

"Because wireless carriers regularly generate and retain the records at issue, and because these records provide only a very general indication of a user's whereabouts at certain times in the past, the requested cell-site records do not implicate a Fourth Amendment privacy interest," the Obama administration wrote (.pdf) Feb. 13 to the federal appeals court.

The court filing underscores that the Obama administration is continuing to maintain the Bush administration's hard-line position when it comes to supporting warrantless surveillance.

The latest surveillance case is believed to be the only one of its kind to reach the federal appellate level, said Jennifer Granick, the civil liberties director for the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

"Almost everybody in the United States carries or will carry a cell phone," she said. "This tracking ability is a means where the government can find out the location of pretty much everybody without much effort or expense."

The EFF and the American Civil Liberties Union on Tuesday urged (.pdf) the federal appeals court to side against the Obama administration.

The case on appeal concerns the government's ongoing investigation into "large-scale narcotics trafficking and various related crimes." A Philadelphia federal judge denied requiring the disclosure of the cell-site information until the government provided an application for a search warrant. The government refused.

The appeals court did not indicate when it would rule.

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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2009, 03:05:52 PM »
I really don't think we care about Obama anymore kiddo. He's so 2008 ::)

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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 08:36:19 PM »
The king is dead, long live the king. ::)

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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2009, 12:52:30 AM »
obama also doesn't care about the tens of millions of marijuana smokers. Go ahead and belittle us barack. You are afterall change we can believe in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtBl0KNKha4

Gota love the war on drugs, spending billions to throw non violent drug offenders in prison, then fuel the mexican drug war. <3 obama
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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2009, 12:56:55 AM »
oh and by the way, everyone who voted for him here, you're all faggots. yeah you heard me, faggots.
"I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay, and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control."  Obama Feb. 23, 2009.
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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2009, 02:47:56 AM »
oh and by the way, everyone who voted for him here, you're all faggots. yeah you heard me, faggots.
You should really learn not to talk trash. If your so angry about it, talk to the people who care about your opinions. Anyone who did vote for him probably doesn't care what you have to say anymore, so congratulations.
And if you don't care what anyone else thinks, there was absolutely no point in trying to post. So, congratulations either way.

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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2009, 12:49:49 AM »
im surprised you took the effort to type that out kiddo, is there a reason why you get so offended when someone calls you a faggot? something you want to tell us?
« Last Edit: March 28, 2009, 12:52:26 AM by xdanxx »
"I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay, and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control."  Obama Feb. 23, 2009.
Yearly Budget Deficit Tops $1 Trillion Dollars- A First  Jul. 2009
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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2009, 12:55:09 AM »
by the way, thanks for paying my mortgage sweetie.
"I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay, and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control."  Obama Feb. 23, 2009.
Yearly Budget Deficit Tops $1 Trillion Dollars- A First  Jul. 2009
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090713/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_economy_deficit

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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2009, 09:32:09 AM »
I think there's just a fundamental element to this you just aren't understanding.
I can't speak for anyone else, but from where I'm sitting, nobody cares.

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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2009, 03:29:46 PM »
oh and by the way, everyone who voted for him here, you're all faggots. yeah you heard me, faggots.

Gee thanks ... at least I voted. Listen dude, the future is going to come to an end whether we voted for him or not. What do you think McCain would have done differently? Both candidates sucked at the time. 5 million people voted for Obama over McCain, partly because a bunch of them were minority in the country and partly because Obama was smart to give a shit about the internet groupies. McCain should have put campaigning into that if he really cared.

Other than that, no one really cares about cell-site record protection. I thought that as long as your phone was off, they couldn't track you? Sooooooo .... ::)

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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2009, 07:24:51 PM »
I care. 


And I have greater respect for someone who didn't vote than I do for someone who voted for Obama.

You might as well have voted for Stalin, for all the good it will do us.

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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2009, 07:26:29 PM »
Bullshit. It lets us show that we care about our rights, at least.

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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2009, 07:37:05 PM »
You might as well have voted for Stalin, for all the good it will do us.

If there was a right-wing stalin I can imagine you loving him. ;D
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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2009, 11:39:09 PM »
The losing side always feels like they have a right to bitch. I bitched about Bush, you people can bitch about Obama, but at the end of the day, my side won. And Jem, freedom has never been existent. Still, the voting process is essentially dictated by the will of the majority. I had to put up with your shitty president for the last 2 terms. If you don't like things, do like the democrats did and rally your people next time.

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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2009, 12:58:48 AM »
just for the record im a Libertarian not a republican. The 'pubs are just as evil in my eyes, and Jem if you want to talk about freedom then why vote for a Conservative candidate that doesn't support your freedom to smoke marijuana? Oh yeah thats right because you think its wrong.
"I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay, and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control."  Obama Feb. 23, 2009.
Yearly Budget Deficit Tops $1 Trillion Dollars- A First  Jul. 2009
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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2009, 02:40:50 AM »
If you cared about your rights, you would've realized that the far left seeks to remove ALL our rights.  Our freedom will be nonexistant - all cowering before the mighty statists.

Obama seriously isn't "far left". Anywhere else in the world would probably see him as right-wing or at best centre-right.
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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2009, 04:44:04 AM »
Obama seriously isn't "far left". Anywhere else in the world would probably see him as right-wing or at best centre-right.

I'm sorry, how many other democrats tried to keep the born-alive infant protection act from passing?

That's right: just obama.  I call that infanticide. 

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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2009, 05:01:05 AM »


 :P
"I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay, and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control."  Obama Feb. 23, 2009.
Yearly Budget Deficit Tops $1 Trillion Dollars- A First  Jul. 2009
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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2009, 05:04:04 AM »
 ;)
"I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay, and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control."  Obama Feb. 23, 2009.
Yearly Budget Deficit Tops $1 Trillion Dollars- A First  Jul. 2009
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090713/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_economy_deficit

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Re: Obama Administration: Constitution Does Not Protect Cell-Site Records
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2009, 05:05:42 AM »
 :-[
« Last Edit: March 29, 2009, 05:11:59 AM by xdanxx »
"I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay, and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control."  Obama Feb. 23, 2009.
Yearly Budget Deficit Tops $1 Trillion Dollars- A First  Jul. 2009
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090713/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_economy_deficit