the fancy new options like.... making everything easier to do? yes it adds visual beauty but its not apple, its actualy far more functional. Ive been using computers and apples alike since I was a kid and computers have always been better. Msoft has gotten progressively better with every release, the only real backstep being ME, where apple has done allot of nothing with every release, you want to play games on an apple, get crossover and prey cause aint shit else gonna make it work right. want to pretend apple works better with video programs/gfx.. windows is at the very least an absolute equal to apple. Ive even seen people go as far as to say windows boots slower than apple. I guess that depends on certain things. it takes less than a minute for me to boot vista ultimate 64X including me putting the password in to login yeah its a bit longer than leopard takes but Im running on a dual 2.1 gig processor with 1 gig of ram. whats that time gonna look like on a quad 2.7 gig with 8 gigs of ram, quite certainly less than that. there is no argument for apple. and were getting to the point where there realy is no argument for XP over vista either. Vista is the rare case where even when you take into account it looking better, it actualy works better. and I agree totaly that if it werent for apples bullshit smear ads that vista would be as big now as XP ever was. trendy apple sheep says what?