How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?

[willplayer]

Discussion has inspired me to just discuss this ... I mean that's how it works, right?

So I was talking to some friends and they all think MS is stealing off of the other systems. Well yeah they are, but they're making it their own way and usually it turns out better, both software and hardware wise. Nintendo comes up with all these neat new ideas and all the other systems feed off of it.

What do you think? How does the Wii affect the Ps3? How does the Ps3 affect the 360 and Wii? Think and discuss!

[jem]

I think they all suck.  There needs to be a big price drop on all of them.  They're old now.  Games cost too much.  Controllers cost too much.  The Wiimote is a gimmick.  The PS3 and 360 have sucky d-pads.  The competition is bad for gamers because there's too many exclusives, and no one wants to buy all three consoles.  The bargaining for exclusives takes longer than usual, and we don't see the games we desperately want for years.  Sega has died. 

[Generalidea]

I think there isn't enough exclusivity, its boarderline, there isn't much reason to buy either console, with only a few exceptions, all the good games are for both systems.. the PS2/XBOX generation of game consoles was the best because I didn't feel it was a waste to own both consoles, the competition was good, and the games were cheap! This generation will get there, but its kinda silly when almost every new ps3/360 game has a 60 dollar price tag, not all games were created equally you know.

[jem]

Competition between game developers is golden.  They create better games in the hopes of selling more than the competition.

But competition in the console market isn't good for the consumers.  The only upside would be, theoretically, competitively-priced hardware.  But that's not the reality of the situation.  All the hardware is very expensive for already being years old.  I'd rather build a computer.  (and don't bring up the blu-ray drive.  its massively overpriced, not a miracle of modern technology.)

[Generalidea]

the ps3 is a really cheap computer given it can install other operating systems

[strangedogs]

Being a poor working schmuck I have lots of older consoles including my "new" 2-month old Dreamcast.  I really can't afford the newest and latest but the PS3 looks amazing.  It's all about enjoyment.  I still love my 8-bit Atari 5200 system (and my 7800 too) - been adding to that collection for years and my wife and I (we're old) still love the old classics a lot.  My Dreamcast on my 50" HD TV looks wicked...  $400 & $500 for a damn NEW console and $50 & $60 for a game is just NUTS.  NEO GEO hit in the last of the 80's with a $600 console and $200 games and it never sold hardly at all.  People (average) can't afford these expensive TOYS

[willplayer]

I'm with you on the prices ... everything they make now a days is so gosh darn expensive, I just wait a few months and it eventually goes down in price to a more reasonable area ($30 ish). That's the way it should be.

Concerning 360, I think their added accessories are bullshit. The 360 should already have wifi in it, but I had to buy a wifi adapter for some $90 just to get it working. The hard drives are expensive too, I remember all xbox's having a hard drive back in the day ... The controllers are expensive, like $40. The XBLA Marketplace is all money money money and not many games with good quality gameplay, just razzle dazzle and lapdances.

Nintendo and ps3 were good to put wifi in theirs. But as far as software goes, Nintendo keeps putting out games that are just plain stupid, like for lil kids stupid. Ps3 is good but from what I've seen, I don't see much reason, as Paul has said, to get it when eventually in one form or another, they make that game for the other system. Sometimes I question why even bother making all these different systems if they'll all have the same 3rd party games. Maybe that's just the fun in it.

I think we need to somehow create a different fair standard in video gaming. I read somewhere that one day video gaming will be a thing of the past. I sure hope not but since it was just created 20 years ago, and 500 years ago we were pushing little wooden wheels around with sticks for fun, it could happen.

When I'm old and grey and wrinkly I'll still be playing Sonic on my Dreamcast, meanwhile my kid will be outside playing in some crazy ass virtual world with his virtual AI friends ... I dunno.

[call_me_sir]

Little big planet is like $80. I've got $80 but I'm not going to spend that kind of scratch on one game.
I definitely think games cost way too much this time around, even Wii games with their $50 price tags are somewhat of a splurge.

By the way I have to throw in though....Playstation home drops tomorrow and I've been waiting for a long ass time.

[Generalidea]

Little big planet is like $80.

I've not seen it above 60

[coolimac2003]

I think that the Wii is way too overpriced. The 360 needs built in wifi and a better hardware design. $60 is ok for a price of a game if you can't wait. I bought Turok on ebay for $20 while it was still $60 on store shelves. Also I bought gears of war for $14 at the local pawn shop. And I think people are crazy who sell their games/systems at ebgames because they want $20 for a PS2 which they will sell it used for $80.

[SouthernKomfort]

Bah...gotta see Gamestop for what it is...a ridiculously genius business model.  Create (and/or buy out) a market that was not there a decade ago, that gives all that money you spent on all those games and give u some sort of resale value where, other than pawn shops, there was none.  Problem is that there is no real competition for them to give you more.

Not to mention, you think, "oh they give me NOTHING for my mint copy of Zelda: Twilight Princess" or whatever the case may be, when in actuality, they have 35 copies of that same game in the back that aren't selling as past as people are bringing them back in.  Giving u 3/4 or 1/2 what u paid for that game is unrealistic and is not doing a very good job at protecting their investment and assuring themselves of making a profit of any kind.

Oh and PS2 fatboys and Xboxes are now $49.99 used from Gamestop....just for an update
And....for Will....If u have a laptop with wifi near your 360, you don't need the MS wifi adapter

[willplayer]

I'd rather not do that. I've done the laptop trick before but it's not very fun. lol the adapter I have, I got it for $30 off someone else so I'm not complaining. But one time I did go get one for $90

[SouthernKomfort]

hehehe...well it doesn't bother me much to do it the cheap way seeing as i have plenty of computers laying around here not doing anything anyways lol

[Adam Bomb 669]

I think Sony rips everyone off, simple as that.  yeah MS rips off a few companies here and there, hell even nintendo does.  but nearly everything on any console made by sony is directly ripped off of someone else.

Nintendo made rumble controller technology what it is, sony mocked them then ripped it off, then when they were taken to court over it by some other company they tried to play it off like its a tech they dont need and is gimmicky and unimportant.  nintendo made motion sensing controller technology what it is, sony mocked them saying it was nothing more than a stupid gimmick and then VERY POORLY ripped them off.  MS made console HDDs what they are today and sony ripped them off.
before you say Im claiming these things were made by these companies, I realize they werent, but they were made popular and effective by them, and then blatantly ripped off by sony.  Sony home...... yeah its miis+sims which = retarded

say what you want about the wii but I look at it like this, that system may have saved nintendos ass.  It put them back in many peoples minds as what they are, the very best in the video game industry.  when you think of video games, you should be thinking of nintendo, and you should thank nintendo as well.  Personaly Id like to see nintendo buy sega. perhapse then we would see things that we want to see, like a decent sonic game for one.

other than that, Im sure sony will continue poorly ripping off everyone else to get ahaid, and hopefully they will die out of the video game entertainment market, Its wishfull thinking but it should happen for the good of all.

[call_me_sir]

Have you actually played playstation home? Now if you have and you think it's miis + sims thats fine, but I've been on for a few days now and I don't think your statement holds water.
And I'm glad sony copies other companies. Because I can buy one console and get all the good features. And, and this is the last and, sixaxis motion technology is quite a bit better than the wii remote. They haven't really implemented it yet, maybe they never will, and I don't really care if they do.
 I've heard about a new add on to the wiimote to allow it to detect exactly where it is in space, that will make things a lot better, but if you really think wii remotes are all that, (I'm sure you know about this anyway) just try to bowl backwards.

[Generalidea]

your such a fag, adam.

are you saying xbox controllers don't use rumble technology? and Microsoft doesn't want to get into the fucking motion sensing industry? do you think microsoft should have the only console with a fucking hard drive? does that even make sense? "Sony is totally ripping somebody off on account of making their game console support __________ and _________ features." which have been freely available on the PC for decades.

I've got a mouse with a gyroscope in it, and for the life of me I can't see the difference between working with that mouse and wiggling a wii mote. Your claims make it sound like companies are pioneering, when they are really just working off old tech.

What the hell is your definition of ripping off? Hard drives should be a standard. rumble support should be a standard. Mouse and keyboard support should a be standard. if a company has to redefine gaming in their own terms when they enter the market the ps3 gamers would be using some sort of mouse exercise wheel controller, and the xbox users would be humping the air with a hoola hoop controller or something, whilst nintendo would be using the gamepad because they made it popular first.

Nintendo sucks. Who the fuck plays the wii? I've got one collecting dust since brawl came out, and they sure as hell didn't use any motion sensing in that game. If I'm going to play the wii, its going to be virtual console games, which Nintendo totally ripped off of XBLA.

to sum: you don't seem to be making any sense. and you're supporting a console that gives kids tennis elbow.

[call_me_sir]

Actually, wasn't sony the first console to use dual analog sticks?

[willplayer]

In this day and age it is very important to have something that represents you in the video game world (Second Life, anyone?). That's just it. It was like this ... The Sims > Second Life > Mii's > Sony Home > 360 Avatars. They all realize how nice it is to have something that looks like you in the video game world. Apparently it's all good to copy off of other people and just change it up a bit. Home is taken to a really new level, I haven't seen much of it but I imagine that is a really nice addition, and probably one of the better takes on this. Everyone has their own interpretation of something else, and anyone can take anyone's ideas and make them better these days.

Honestly I don't see a problem with it. One day we won't even see these fictional characters on the screen anymore; they will actually just BE who we are.

I read this fictional story once about this video game system that could hear everything you were saying, and then change the game according to whatever you said, however you felt, almost whatever you thought. It would conform to whatever you were talking about, even when it was turned off. You liked the new skateboard but mom wouldn't let you have it? Don't worry, the video game system already had it in stock. You thought the game was too easy? Not the next time you play it this is our future. How will all the other systems adapt to this? There is nothing wrong with innovation and creativity, every system has their own look with things. They're all different, and then similar. It's all about the games, and which ones are exclusives and then 3rd Party.

[Adam Bomb 669]

I did say ALL the companies rip eachother off did I not, sony just does it more than everyone else, and the sixaxis shit, I played a few games that use it and its awful.  Army of two for example, you use it when your on these hanglider things, and it doesnt dettect for shit, half the time it goes where I tell it, the other half Im ramming into the clifs going the complete oposite direction.  so no it isnt even close to as good as wiimotes motion sensoring, maybe if it worked correctly it would be better.
another example is the hard drive, xbox had it used nearly perfectly. ever used an HDD on a non modded PS2, theres virtualy no use for it unless your playing that faggoty FFXI game.  now the Ps3 uses it decently for the most part, except for requiring you to download huge files from certain games just to play, thats what a PC is for.  atleast 360 gives you an option with the new update.

the sony home thing. I played with it some, and it seems like Sims with 3D Miis but without the fun part of sims, that being the actual making of a place to live.

Nintendo does not suck, nor has it ever sucked.  I think your looking for sega, or sony. Sony didnt use analogue sticks at all untill they saw that nintendo 64 had something good going with its joystick.

OH and I forgot about an other thing, Sony Lies, constantly, and overcharges for everything.  How did this intentional undersupplying to make more money thing get popular for console makers?  Sony.  Who started charging more for games first? Sony. Who started overcharging for controllers and other accessories first? Sony. Who has stated there systems would have more power and better specs than they actualy did with every new console? Sony.  Who wants to rape your babies and eat your dogs? Sony.

[willplayer]

They are all good ideas being shared and made better, that's all.

You think Sony overcharges? MS does too, and on all levels! From new releases, to XBLA bs, to even these "Themes" and "Gamerpictures" that are only about 50kb to download are being charged over a dollar to download?! WTF