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Title: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Ofnir_leader on May 02, 2008, 04:06:24 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri9MsnWSZUo[/youtube]

Is Kojima toying with us again?, ill cry like a little school girl if this is true...and ill adore Kojima-san like a god, thats how much im fan of MG...
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: warmaster670 on May 02, 2008, 04:31:22 AM
flashback maybe?

or possibly a tutorial, personally id like to see them remake MGS again, only with the crap there using for MGS4, the third person view did wonders for MGS3, so MGS in MGS4s engine could be wicked
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: call_me_sir on May 02, 2008, 05:12:52 AM
That would be so freakin sweet. My initials are MGS.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: xdanxx on May 02, 2008, 05:33:01 AM
i sure hope so, loved that game so much, replaying the original right now for the second time
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: willplayer on May 02, 2008, 06:10:40 AM
wtf ... why would we want to go back to Shadow Moses?! ... I'm thinking we'll get the chance to replay bits of it from time to time in MGS4, but I'm hoping it doesn't happen too much ... kinda nice to look back at I guess
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Generalidea on May 02, 2008, 11:52:09 PM
Its definitely for the fans, as we know (thus far) you play as Snake, but hes specifically called 'Old Snake' in game, could that assume there is going to be Young Snake game play? :D
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: willplayer on May 03, 2008, 02:05:00 AM
of course :D congrats on your big 4 0 0 General :D
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Donkeyboy on May 05, 2008, 12:59:43 AM
wtf ... why would we want to go back to Shadow Moses?! ... I'm thinking we'll get the chance to replay bits of it from time to time in MGS4, but I'm hoping it doesn't happen too much ... kinda nice to look back at I guess

If you actually asked that question, then you're not a real MGS fan, and that's okay.  I can't wait to revisit Shadow Moses - if that really is the case.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Ofnir_leader on May 05, 2008, 01:44:17 AM
If you actually asked that question, then you're not a real MGS fan, and that's okay.  I can't wait to revisit Shadow Moses - if that really is the case.

Amen to that!...
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Adam Bomb 669 on May 05, 2008, 04:30:25 AM
Its a fun game, but theres no need for this much attention. 1 and 3 were good, 2 sucked.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Donkeyboy on May 05, 2008, 05:35:32 AM
Well, 2 was the gameplay set-up for 3.  The story was garbage, sure.  But the gameplay was solidified (no pun intended) with the second game.
No need?  I disagree...it's the one thing that the PS3 needs to really get a foothold - a game capable of making Americans actually buy PS3s in mass quantities.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Adam Bomb 669 on May 05, 2008, 06:58:18 AM
Too bad half a year later(if not less) a vastly superior version will be released on the 360. much like the other MGS games.  The only thing that surprises me is that Konami hasnt milked this franchise the way Square has FF with a new game every 6 months. The PS3 doesnt need a foothold, it needs to be killed off once and for all.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: warmaster670 on May 05, 2008, 07:09:09 AM
Too bad half a year later(if not less) a vastly superior version will be released on the 360. much like the other MGS games.  The only thing that surprises me is that Konami hasnt milked this franchise the way Square has FF with a new game every 6 months. The PS3 doesnt need a foothold, it needs to be killed off once and for all.
keep telling yourself that, waiting for the magical 360 version that will never come.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Adam Bomb 669 on May 05, 2008, 07:17:22 AM
much like it never came for MGS2 and 3.......
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: spagett on May 05, 2008, 07:23:45 AM
are u shittin on my balls? he's supposed to come up from the elevator! looks like a flashback to me, but mgs with mgs4 engine would be epic
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: warmaster670 on May 05, 2008, 07:30:01 AM
much like it never came for MGS2 and 3.......
MGS3 was never ported to another console.

and neither was the psp one, portable ops.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Adam Bomb 669 on May 05, 2008, 07:59:27 AM
thats because PSP is useless, buy a DS. as for MGS 3, I must ave been drunk, I remember playing MGS3 on the old box. anyway it doesnt matter 4 will be on the 360. and it will be better.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Donkeyboy on May 05, 2008, 08:13:29 AM
I don't know.  Not unless a Blu-Ray player is being developed...which is a pretty strong possibility at this point...and to answer your doubts, MGS2: Substance was the only MGS to ever appear on the Xbox platform(s).  And unfortunately, I don't like it nearly as much as I do the PS2 version.  I'd have loved to play it on a 360 pad, though.

I don't know if MS is getting a port of it.  It's tough to say that it will or even theoretically could, what with there being one previously planned for MGS3 and it never showing up - for starters.  But I guess it's possible, however highly unlikely.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: warmaster670 on May 05, 2008, 08:16:44 AM
thats because PSP is useless, buy a DS. as for MGS 3, I must ave been drunk, I remember playing MGS3 on the old box. anyway it doesnt matter 4 will be on the 360. and it will be better.
i have a DS, and most of its games are fucking shit, and no you never did, and no it wont, that rumours only been shot down at least 20 times, but the fanboys never give up
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Adam Bomb 669 on May 05, 2008, 08:22:55 AM
Honestly I had no idea there was any rumor until today, but it doesnt matter anyway, even the PS2 is better than the PS3.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: spagett on May 05, 2008, 10:05:43 AM
wow man ps3s super legit i dont see what u got agaisnt such a foxy system
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Donkeyboy on May 05, 2008, 11:07:17 AM
The PS3 is a great system with phenomenal hardware specs and capabilities.  Unfortunately, the software selection sucks cock at the present, and that's the real.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Ofnir_leader on May 05, 2008, 11:08:43 AM
Its a fun game, but theres no need for this much attention. 1 and 3 were good, 2 sucked.

Omg! so much heresy!!, anyway im cool with you...
Plus, 50gigs in a x360 disc i dont think so, maybe releasing it in a 6 discs version perhaps...
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: willplayer on May 05, 2008, 12:45:40 PM
Hmmm 1 and 3 were good, and 2 did suck, I agree, and here's why ;) the ending seriously lasted 3 hours long thanks to all the crap they shoved in there. I couldn't watch but about 15 seconds of them all, which was probably important. But once they started popping in the whole digital simulation popup crap I just wanted to get it all over with. :(
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Adam Bomb 669 on May 05, 2008, 04:38:45 PM
The PS3 is a great system with phenomenal hardware specs and capabilities.  Unfortunately, the software selection sucks cock at the present, and that's the real.
That and sony has a long history about lying about system specs, what they can do, and lets be honest, the "strong point" of the system is not good enough to warrant the extra money for it, that being graphics. We all know the PS3 and 360 are virtualy equal on that, and most games on both consoles look better on 360.  360 and wii both have much better games, as well as more of them.  Now Ill admit the Wii has been spammed by shit companies trying to cash in, but just the nintendo games alone warrant a purchase and make it better than the PS3.  360s strong point is more on the 3rd party games, but all ive seen from the vast majority of PS3 games are very beautiful, but very bad games.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: call_me_sir on May 05, 2008, 09:33:41 PM
Hmmm 1 and 3 were good, and 2 did suck, I agree, and here's why ;) the ending seriously lasted 3 hours long thanks to all the crap they shoved in there. I couldn't watch but about 15 seconds of them all, which was probably important. But once they started popping in the whole digital simulation popup crap I just wanted to get it all over with. :(
2's my favorite. Raiden was the shit. The conspiracy theory story was way more unnerving than 1 or 3, which are also great. In 1, you had a bit of a start, it was great, it was somewhat expected. In 3 there weren't really any suprises at all, and the ending was kind of boring. Still a great game.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: spagett on May 06, 2008, 02:17:22 AM
2 was sick as fuck, the gameplay was badass, and kojima is a genious master plot twister wizard. if u didnt like 2 then that shits not for u, but those that appreciate it have real taste.  3 was real nice but 2 had more of an effect on me (in a sexy way), and 1 is a masterpiece. #1 game series in history cause its too epic
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Ofnir_leader on May 07, 2008, 11:32:49 AM
You are wise Spagett, very wise u_u!...
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Adam Bomb 669 on May 08, 2008, 04:47:53 AM
Now i realy have to call bs. No way in hell is mg the greatest series in gaming history.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: xdanxx on May 08, 2008, 05:08:36 AM
#1 game series in history cause its too epic

qft. I cant think of one game ive enjoyed more then the mgs series. I dont know why you'd want to put playstation to rest, competition=good. The more game consoles the better I say.

Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: willplayer on May 08, 2008, 05:38:14 AM
Now i realy have to call bs. No way in hell is mg the greatest series in gaming history.

what is, in your opinion? ;)
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: spagett on May 09, 2008, 10:58:28 AM
i bet that when you beat mgs4, itll unlock the first one and you can play through it
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: warmaster670 on May 09, 2008, 11:06:52 AM
i bet that when you beat mgs4, itll unlock the first one and you can play through it
would be the ultimate unlockable, with SotN as a close second i think.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: willplayer on May 09, 2008, 12:00:37 PM
THAT's why it's taken them so long to publish it ;D
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Generalidea on May 10, 2008, 01:06:05 AM
Now i realy have to call bs. No way in hell is mg the greatest series in gaming history.

IMO MGS3 was the greatest game in gaming history, MGS1 was seccond and MGS2 was third...

it seems as if, to me, MGS IS the greatest series in gaming history.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: willplayer on May 10, 2008, 01:31:33 AM
I really like sneaking around and killing people ... :D
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: darkNiGHTS on May 10, 2008, 07:07:44 AM
I tried Metal Gear for the first time today and I really didn't like it that much. It was really frustrating, I couldn't find anything.  It would show me a door that I'm supposed to go in and then it would go back to my location and I'd have no idea where that door was.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: willplayer on May 10, 2008, 07:35:20 AM
Maybe it's ... RIGHT DOWN THE HALLWAY :D
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Ofnir_leader on May 10, 2008, 10:37:34 AM
I tried Metal Gear for the first time today and I really didn't like it that much. It was really frustrating, I couldn't find anything.  It would show me a door that I'm supposed to go in and then it would go back to my location and I'd have no idea where that door was.

Nahh Soccer just be patient, if youre trying the first MGS that feeling of 'dont know what to do' is complety normal, its the same feeling that you have when playing the first MG on MSX or NES (i had that sensation in 1987 XP),  just give it a chance and then youll love it, cause IT IS the greatest series in gaming history...
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: willplayer on May 10, 2008, 11:42:36 AM
yes it really is ... I just like sneaking around and messin with people!
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: chandler_455 on May 10, 2008, 03:58:22 PM
I really didn't like 3 all that much but 2 was my favorite but it is a really good series and I thought that mgs2 on the box was better but it did have some issues to deal with.

In response to adam: I am not starting a flamewar with you but sorry dude this game won't come out on 360 Kojima said that the team had problems sqeezing the game on the 50Gb disk. 50>9.4 I am afraid, The ps3 is a decent system Uncharted, GT5: prologue, heavenly sword, and warhawk are all great games. so the library does not suck that bad I just think there is a complex that people have to join on this train of bashing the ps3 without knowing anything about it, but I don't think mgs 4 is going to be a huge system seller anyway so don't get too upset
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Generalidea on May 17, 2008, 06:45:07 AM
Made this whilst reminiscing about MGS
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/984/snakejapzoomfinaljc9.jpg)
Totally relevant to the first game.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Adam Bomb 669 on May 17, 2008, 07:58:38 AM
Im not mad at anyone. But saying mgs is that good is a bold faced lie. Just looking at that genre alone. Splinter cell 1 owned the shit out of mgs 1 and 2. Outside of that mario, sonic, zelda, metroid, ut, quake, all better than mgs.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Generalidea on May 17, 2008, 03:46:34 PM
Its a different type of game, and personal preference probably does have something to do with it.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: warmaster670 on May 17, 2008, 04:54:35 PM
splinter cell was alright, to bad they just turned it into an action game, run knife, run knife, run knife.

oh ya, MGS>SC
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: leglessparrot on May 21, 2008, 12:08:50 AM
Meryl's hot whatever.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/297383

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/426712

The best cartoons ever.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: willplayer on May 21, 2008, 05:45:42 AM
I personally liked the 1st and 3rd ones. The 2nd one was good but the story was retarded. The series is really one of the best of its genre. There are a lot of other sneaky tactical games out there that just weren't anywhere near as good as this game is. Splinter Cell is a great series too.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Ofnir_leader on May 22, 2008, 08:23:23 AM
Sam Fisher is cool, SC series its so good and atractive, but MG is gaming history and thats saying a lot...
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Maximus on July 18, 2008, 02:20:57 AM
Metal Gear Solid 4 will never be on the 360, and it won't be better, the 360 can't handle MGS 4, and Splinter Cell was crap in my opinion.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: willplayer on July 18, 2008, 04:42:24 AM
... I won't agree with you nor fight about it ... lol
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Ofnir_leader on July 18, 2008, 06:21:48 AM
Did all you see MGS4 perfect score everywhere?, i just dream on playing that soon...
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: willplayer on July 25, 2008, 07:44:26 PM
Won't everyone? :P
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Generalidea on July 25, 2008, 07:44:35 PM
Actually I'd say the graphics in MGS4 were movie like :) It seemed like they were off by 1 or so, very close to the 3D rendered movies of today.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: willplayer on July 25, 2008, 08:04:09 PM
I'm playin MGS3 on ps2 and ... for some reason I feel the graphics on MGS2 were much smoother and sharper ... not sure why ... maybe just me.

But MGS4 for sure is like woah.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Generalidea on July 25, 2008, 09:19:30 PM
I think many of the areas in MGS3 just had alot more to them. That game was wicked too :D
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: willplayer on July 26, 2008, 02:19:32 AM
Yeah you're definitely right and that makes a lot of sense :)

Yeah I haven't beaten it yet but it's great :D
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: warmaster670 on July 26, 2008, 06:48:04 AM
I'm playin MGS3 on ps2 and ... for some reason I feel the graphics on MGS2 were much smoother and sharper ... not sure why ... maybe just me.

But MGS4 for sure is like woah.
when was the last time you played 2?

cause i just finished it, and found the graphics to be kinda bland, though it has been a while since i played 3, i remember the graphics being fairly good.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Generalidea on July 26, 2008, 07:55:14 AM
Metal Gear Solid 2 was a 60Hz game, the game render and logic is refreshed 60 times a second, MGS3 was a 30Hz game, since the game is rendered slower you can squeeze much more detail into the scenes and not notice a lag to the gameplay since its locked at 30Hz anyway.

err, so there you go.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Ofnir_leader on July 27, 2008, 10:18:14 AM
Metal Gear Solid 2 was a 60Hz game, the game render and logic is refreshed 60 times a second, MGS3 was a 30Hz game, since the game is rendered slower you can squeeze much more detail into the scenes and not notice a lag to the gameplay since its locked at 30Hz anyway.

err, so there you go.

very true u_U...
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: H-town23 on July 29, 2008, 08:05:16 AM
Metal Gear is great...
I started playing 4, a week later came back to my friend's house and they were watching the last cut-scenes....
So I just missed out on the whole story!
Anyway, I started playing Metal Gear for the MSX(I think its called that)
And its fairly difficult... but still fun
And MGS3.. I played the whole game, in a day.... But fell asleep during all the cut-scenes..
So I still don't know what thats about
But I do plan on buying all of them and re-playing them
whenever I get a PS3... with PS2 Emulation, hopefully...
It sucks they're droppin it on all systems
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: warmaster670 on July 29, 2008, 11:32:43 PM

whenever I get a PS3... with PS2 Emulation, hopefully...
It sucks they're droppin it on all systems
i dont think its that big a deal really, since the price gap between the non bc and bc ones would usually get you a ps2 anyway.

if i had a 360 or ps3, i probably wouldnt want to risk wearing out the drive any faster than i had to by playing old games on it if i had the choice of the actual system.
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: H-town23 on July 30, 2008, 11:42:11 AM
Hmmm I see what you're sayin...
But the system does upscale PS1 and PS2 games making them look better...
It would also be more simple to have one system to do both jobs.
The new PS3 hit the FCC recently so its gonna come soon, but I'll try to get my hands on one with ps1/ps2 emulation
Title: Re: For Metal Gear fans! Back to Shadow Moses?
Post by: Generalidea on July 30, 2008, 07:25:57 PM
Even the crappiest models have ps1 emulation.