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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2008, 10:45:49 PM »
1.sony just does it more than everyone else

2.now the Ps3 uses it decently for the most part, except for requiring you to download huge files from certain games just to play, thats what a PC is for.  atleast 360 gives you an option with the new update.

3.Nintendo does not suck, nor has it ever sucked.  I think your looking for sega, or sony. Sony didnt use analogue sticks at all untill they saw that nintendo 64 had something good going with its joystick.

4.Who started charging more for games first? Sony. Who started overcharging for controllers and other accessories first? Sony. Who has stated there systems would have more power and better specs than they actualy did with every new console? Sony.

1.I don't see any accounts where sony rips off anyone more then any other company, the xbox for instance has PC hardware entirely, the ps2 was a totally strange, unique bit of hardware.

2.Not every game requires you to install it, but some games like mgs 4 pretty much need to be installed on account of the huge amount of resources it has. Soul Calibur ran fine without installing, but ran awesome when it was installed. Who started installing games on to hard drives first? for a console, it was the ps2. there are a few games out there you can install including ff11. it was a native feature to the ps3 and MICROSOFT RIPPED IT OFF (not that I care, I think it should be a necessity)

3.Did nintendo release something good behind my back that I just don't know about? I've got a NES, SNES and Gameboy, I've owned a 64, and I love retro gaming, but they don't produce anything good nowadays. I think many people could agree their time is over. I guess you really like them kiddie games, adam.

4.dude, the NES contra game cost 60 something bucks when it was released. also PS2 games were cheap as hell, games were getting put into the greatest hits within a few months of their release, that was the cheapest time for gaming. also there are ps3 games out there for 20 bucks a pop.

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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2008, 09:33:59 AM »
1.I don't see any accounts where sony rips off anyone more then any other company, the xbox for instance has PC hardware entirely, the ps2 was a totally strange, unique bit of hardware.

Xbox was made by a PC company, of course it was like that, nothing sony made did anything like the xbox.
The PS2 was a massive ripoff, even the gamecube was a better system than it. Sony lied about its specs, saying it would be multiple times more powerful than it actualy turned out.

2.Not every game requires you to install it, but some games like mgs 4 pretty much need to be installed on account of the huge amount of resources it has. Soul Calibur ran fine without installing, but ran awesome when it was installed. Who started installing games on to hard drives first? for a console, it was the ps2. there are a few games out there you can install including ff11. it was a native feature to the ps3 and MICROSOFT RIPPED IT OFF (not that I care, I think it should be a necessity)
NONE of the xbox 360 games require a download to the HDD, well except for a couple addons.  take for example DMC4, the time it takes to download to the HDD on the PS3 does not come close to the time it takes to load the game the 5 or 6 times your actualy going to stick it in your drive.  same goes for any game, there may be 1 or 2 games you will play enough to make the DL worth the wait, but for most I doubt even once.  and MGS4 can be on the 360 and run good enough to not require any kind of major download.  it should be optional 100 percent.

3.Did nintendo release something good behind my back that I just don't know about? I've got a NES, SNES and Gameboy, I've owned a 64, and I love retro gaming, but they don't produce anything good nowadays. I think many people could agree their time is over. I guess you really like them kiddie games, adam.
You need to lay off the pipe there buddy.  There are more great games on the Wii than the 360 and PS3 combined times 2.  Im not saying there arent shit games on the wii, but what I am saying is Wii has alot more games worth playing than 360 and PS3.  just cause the only wii game you played in the last year or two was SSB doesnt mean its the only good one that has been released.  Ive named the many great titles to be released on the wii before, and guarantee they are way more fun than Halo or Resistance, or GOW.  just because they are kiddy games doesnt mean they arent fun as fuck.  Ive played hella kiddie nintendo games that beat the shit out of call of duty 1,2,3,4,or world at war.  lets not even get into the shitty ass games like halo or final fantasy "insert number"

4.dude, the NES contra game cost 60 something bucks when it was released. also PS2 games were cheap as hell, games were getting put into the greatest hits within a few months of their release, that was the cheapest time for gaming. also there are ps3 games out there for 20 bucks a pop.
Contra was made by whom? not nintendo Ill tell you that much.  that era was also the one in which the most shit games were ever released. you think wii has alot of shit games, holy fuck look at PS2 and xbox, that was the golden age of ET competition.  Ive played some shit ass games that were "Best sellers" on the PS2, the 007 games, need I say more?  shit Mortal Kombat had best sellers and according to people like you those were some of the worst mortal kombat games there have been.  I was at gamecrazy looking at PS3 games, I saw 3 non sports games under 25 dollars. sports games dont count no matter how good they are.  BTW I consider sports games NFL, NBA, MLB.  so yeah, lots of 20 dollar ps3 titles. OH and I was looking at both new and used.  wasnt shit worth getting outside of that motocross game for 20. and they already had that so, useless.  I got my cousin GTA4 for 35, which is a fair price.

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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2008, 10:44:58 AM »
BTW I consider sports games NFL, NBA, MLB. 
No NHL?

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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2008, 11:48:39 AM »
2.Not every game requires you to install it, but some games like mgs 4 pretty much need to be installed on account of the huge amount of resources it has. Soul Calibur ran fine without installing, but ran awesome when it was installed. Who started installing games on to hard drives first? for a console, it was the ps2. there are a few games out there you can install including ff11. it was a native feature to the ps3 and MICROSOFT RIPPED IT OFF (not that I care, I think it should be a necessity)
release, that was the cheapest time for gaming. also there are ps3 games out there for 20 bucks a pop.
ok where did this idea of installing games on a console arise from?i think its just a waste of time, installing a game on a console when that space can be taken up by dlc or other stuff.isnt that the whole point of a console that it makes playing games easier by having no install times and by not bothering with what configs you need to run a particular game.wasnt MS trying to popularise the idea of games being played as soon as you put them in your disk drives. a
la-console.(yea like that was gonna work).but installing games on a console is just not done.
3. I think many people could agree their time is over. I guess you really like them kiddie games, adam.release, that was the cheapest time for gaming. also there are ps3 games out there for 20 bucks a pop.
fuck that shit. if that was really happening why is the wii still selling like hot cakes.i think ninty is the only company which is amassing the largest pile of cash of the lot, cause most people wanna play casual games.as for a good game on the wii,look out for the conduit.it looks nice.kinda like a mix of deus ex,hl etc etc.


btw i really hate sony for not bringing their games to the pc  :P. (gow pc anyone)
dont worry i hate MS too  ;D
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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2008, 12:20:17 PM »
No NHL?

There is Golf too ya know ... and frisbee and hunting and swimming and skiing and cheerleading and ... oh I've said too much ;D

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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2008, 01:10:04 PM »
Xbox was made by a PC company, of course it was like that, nothing sony made did anything like the xbox.
The PS2 was a massive ripoff, even the gamecube was a better system than it. Sony lied about its specs, saying it would be multiple times more powerful than it actualy turned out.
I don't see how this illegitimizes what I said, Microsoft didn't do anything special was my claim.

NONE of the xbox 360 games require a download to the HDD, well except for a couple addons.  take for example DMC4, the time it takes to download to the HDD on the PS3 does not come close to the time it takes to load the game the 5 or 6 times your actualy going to stick it in your drive.  same goes for any game, there may be 1 or 2 games you will play enough to make the DL worth the wait, but for most I doubt even once.  and MGS4 can be on the 360 and run good enough to not require any kind of major download.  it should be optional 100 percent.
First off, you put 5 gigs of game onto the hard drive when you install content of DMC4, so it takes a while, and how many times you play is going to be up to the user, with an 80gig hard drive, what does it matter if you leave the data on forever? Its not unreasonable for developers to want it this way either, reading off disk is error prone and more time consuming, I recall hearing stings about the core xbox systems saying its going to effect development what with them not even being able to cache. Also, what are you, a developer at konami? if they want to port it it will happen, they are in the game to make money like any other buisness, but I wouldn't want to deal with the loading times considering the loading off disk already takes its time, not to mention content spread across disks. Why would it be optional? its up to the developer, not the user, they would know whats best.

You need to lay off the pipe there buddy.  There are more great games on the Wii than the 360 and PS3 combined times 2.  Im not saying there arent shit games on the wii, but what I am saying is Wii has alot more games worth playing than 360 and PS3.  just cause the only wii game you played in the last year or two was SSB doesnt mean its the only good one that has been released.  Ive named the many great titles to be released on the wii before, and guarantee they are way more fun than Halo or Resistance, or GOW.  just because they are kiddy games doesnt mean they arent fun as fuck.  Ive played hella kiddie nintendo games that beat the shit out of call of duty 1,2,3,4,or world at war.  lets not even get into the shitty ass games like halo or final fantasy "insert number"
I still don't know of any real good games on the wii. what games are you talking about? I have played plenty of games for it. the zelda game was OK. the soul calubur game was atrocious. driver was OK. wii sports and play were OK as far as I'm concerned. thats to name a few. I've not run into anything overwhelmingly good. so give me titles. I seriously don't know anyone playing their wii... (I googled the conduit, looks cool, but if it plays like red steel did, who cares lol)

Contra was made by whom? not nintendo Ill tell you that much.  that era was also the one in which the most shit games were ever released. you think wii has alot of shit games, holy fuck look at PS2 and xbox, that was the golden age of ET competition.  Ive played some shit ass games that were "Best sellers" on the PS2, the 007 games, need I say more?  shit Mortal Kombat had best sellers and according to people like you those were some of the worst mortal kombat games there have been.  I was at gamecrazy looking at PS3 games, I saw 3 non sports games under 25 dollars. sports games dont count no matter how good they are.  BTW I consider sports games NFL, NBA, MLB.  so yeah, lots of 20 dollar ps3 titles. OH and I was looking at both new and used.  wasnt shit worth getting outside of that motocross game for 20. and they already had that so, useless.  I got my cousin GTA4 for 35, which is a fair price.
Xbox (original) had some of the most expensive controllers at the time. You said "Who started charging more for games first?" Mario 3 aparently cost 50 bucks, try inflating that to show its current day value. The Snes had tons of shit games, so did the 64, and the gamecube had lots of shit games too. the xbox had a good amount of shit games... the ps2 had shit games... are you saying nothing that NINTENDO made themselves has ever been shit?
" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_published_by_Nintendo " here's a list of nintendo published games, there is plenty of crap titles on that list. Sure, every Mario game is going to have been tested too many times to be crappy, but they have also released go no where titles.

Also, I'm still not sure sony lied about how powerful the ps3 was going to be: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=B3W&q=ps3+powerful+scientific&btnG=Search
its all about how you utilize it, I'm sure a game will come out that needs insane calculations, especially with DMM technology coming out. its all speculation as of right now, but Fallout 3 ps3 looks and runs just fine, as does the 360 version.
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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2008, 08:05:59 PM »
NONE of the xbox 360 games require a download to the HDD, well except for a couple addons.  take for example DMC4, the time it takes to download to the HDD on the PS3 does not come close to the time it takes to load the game the 5 or 6 times your actualy going to stick it in your drive.  same goes for any game, there may be 1 or 2 games you will play enough to make the DL worth the wait, but for most I doubt even once.  and MGS4 can be on the 360 and run good enough to not require any kind of major download.  it should be optional 100 percent.

Okay sure, let's pretend that it IS optional ... you'd complain about it taking too long to load said game! Ever since they allowed installing games to xb360 for example, everything has run more smoothly for me! I'm all for them installing games to hard drive ever since the Xbox was modded and you could play all your games off hard drive, you of all modded geeks on here should know this! Games run faster on HD than on DVD, that's just fact.

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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2008, 03:21:07 AM »
I realize they load faster and theres less errors on the HD, but the time you waste installing it to the HDD is more than the amount of time you will waste waiting for a disc to load.  If I had the ability to install my 360 games to the HDD, Id have 2 games on it, the rest I dont play enough for it to matter.  Oh and after playing GTA4 on both ps3 and 360 side by side, I see zero difference on load times, and I had to save a large amount of shit to the HDD for the game.

50 dollars was the standard for a very long time for new games, except on portable systems.

Also I know nintendos made some shit ass titles before, and Id go as far as to say the Wii is the PS2 of this generation, it has the highest saturation of shit titles, but at the same time Nintendo makes up for it with there games.  Metroid prime 3 dominated, mario insert name dominated, zelda kicked ass, oh and tell me why it is that MS and Sony wouldnt allow manhunt 2 on there systems for being to violent, and nintendo was fine with it? 
oh just wait I can see it now, some company is gonna release a wii game where you throw stuff at bush.  mostly shoes.

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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2008, 07:46:09 AM »
I dunno man, I haven't played mario galaxy and a few others but the only wii games I really enjoyed were resident evil 4 and twilight princess. Twilight princess got kind of boring and repetitive and RE4 was just a port (albeit a very welcome one). I'm sure I have odd taste, for example I never cared for smash brothers whatsoever, but the only game I played for any longer than a week was wii sports, and that was only fun till I figured that you didn't actually have to swing the remote, you just had to basically shake it.

I'm not happy with a lot of current gen games. I'm totally bored of GTAIV, I beat MGS4 in about a week and haven't played it since, I used to have a 360 and the only game I played very much was oblivion. So I've had all the current gen systems, and although I like ps3 the best, I'm not over the top pleased with anything. I really miss the PS2 glory days.

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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2008, 07:46:47 AM »
metroid prime 3 was pretty dope, just didn't feel like playing it twice.

by the way, Little Big Planet is an amazing platformer! I really need to get a ps3 because of it, MGS4 was alright cos I played it through whilst borrowing the console, but Little big planet is a game I could play over a billion times + user creation is awesome, so if any of y'all haven't tried it yet, do so :D

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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2008, 08:01:41 AM »
The sacrifice of stupid time given to install the game to HD is worth the time saved later on just for playing a game, fool! ;D

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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2008, 08:41:18 AM »
its worth the time if you play it more than a handfull of times. if you play through it and beat it and never touch it again, its a waist of time.  even games like COD4 and WaW I might play all the way through twice and Im done with it,  now as I said Id gladly rip UT2004 to the HDD if it were on a console.  I know UC is on the box but it isnt the same.  and an 80 gig hd would hold 11 360 games.  thats not a terribly huge amount considering ive over 50.

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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2008, 08:45:12 AM »
I rent games and install them to the HD just for good measure. And for any used games that have scratches, this just helps with those kinda problems all the better! :D

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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2008, 08:47:23 AM »
why aren't you ever on our chan, sir?
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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2008, 09:22:39 AM »
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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2009, 01:31:59 AM »
My two cents:

Microsoft:
Great job getting software companies to bite.  Greater job still getting JAPANESE software companies to bite.  If you would have told me 4 years ago that the Microsoft XBOX 360 would be the home to 90% of the standard PlayStation-esque stable of Japanese RPGs, I would have laughed and then punched you.  Hardware still sucks, though.  I have never had another piece of machinery that I dreaded it dying every time I powered it on, and that's not a good thing.

Sony:
Incredible hardware.  TOTAL lack of software.  And PS Home is a fucking joke with a hell of a lot of potential, but a fucking joke nonetheless.

Nintendo:
The nerdy kid who became metro-cool and snubbed all his old friends in favor of his new ones.  Fucking assholes.
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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2009, 03:27:46 AM »
Nintendo:
The nerdy kid who became metro-cool and snubbed all his old friends in favor of his new ones.  Fucking assholes.

Not a bad analogy... Think I might steal that. :D
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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2009, 09:36:42 AM »
That's exactly who Nintendo has become - that one kid that went to visit a cousin in a posh city one summer and came back to school as the coolest kid around.  Now he can't be troubled to play D&D with his old friends, he's too busy listening to Saosin and Atreyu and hooking up with chicks that don't care what gets stuck inside of them, just as long as it moves fast.

Oh, and he's also been flirting with all of our mothers lately.  Son of a bitch.

The 360 is nothing more than a hardcore nerd machine with a wannabe Wii candy-coating.  However, the Netflix support is radbadical, and Live remains the greatest online option to date.  $50 a year for a service that I haven't gotten a dropped game in over a year, I'm sure...yeah, that's worth that much at the very least.

The PS3 is that goofy rich kid who thinks he's the next David Blaine.  "Look at how cool my tricks are: now I'm movies, now I'm a computer, now I'm Second Life..."  I just said, "Look, now I'm bored...when is God Of War coming out again?"  That's the one thing that the entire console war hinges on: software availability.

Check it:

Nintendo has the lock on the whole "interactivity" tip, and has the stupid-assed mass market on lock.  They can take a shit all over that system, spray paint the arid feces bright, shiny gold and millions of people will flock to it and taste it and claim that it's the greatest thing they've ever seen/heard/done/experienced.  That's where they are.

Sony lost almost all of their much-needed software support through making a "future-proof" system...I guess someone didn't tell them that by "future-proofing" the system, you "present-proof" the shit out of it as well.  It's made from the tears of Japanese space leprechauns.  And nobody but Sony has the knowhow to program that shit, nor the devkits made completely out of ground up and reshaped unicorn horns.  Look it up, I swear it's true.  (It's not.)

Microsoft...well, MS just did what they do best.  Rob the shit out of your competitors and improve on their already impressive work.  The 360 Avatars may be gay, but they're making the Mii's look godawful by comparison.  No Blu-Ray?  HD-DVD dead?  No prob - HD movie streaming courtesy of Netflix.  Oh, and the biggest, baddest crime of all: robbing the shit out of Sony's Rolodex of software developers.  No J-RPG games on a Japanese system?  I'd never had guessed it...but here we are.

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Re: How do you think one console has affected the other consoles?
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2009, 09:40:20 AM »
wow..........