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Title: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: retro_killa on January 26, 2009, 12:11:02 PM: (http://images.betanews.com/media/2578.jpg)

Scott McNealy, Sun Microsystems' co-founder and chairman, says that President Barack Obama has asked him to write a white paper on the benefits of open source technology.

In an interview with the BBC, McNealy contended that government should mandate the use of open source products to "improve security, get higher quality software, lower costs, [and obtain] higher reliability -- all the benefits that come with open software."

McNealy ought to know, because his company is experienced on both sides. Over the years, Sun has produced the open source Java platform, along with the traditionally proprietary Solaris operating system.

Obama first got dubbed the "Open Source President" less than a week after the election, but for different reasons.

In a CNN broadcast on November 10, Republican pundit Alex Castallanos applied the "Bazaar vs. Cathedral" metaphor -- adopted from a 1997 essay by Eric S. Raymond, and still used today in software engineering -- to predicting how the Obama administration will operate. Obama will follow a Bazaar-style, bottoms-up, grassroots and "open source" approach, as opposed to a "proprietary," tops-down Cathedral model, according to the pundit.

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Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: Generalidea on January 26, 2009, 07:18:48 PM: Yattttaaaaaaa

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Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: jem on January 27, 2009, 01:02:02 AM: Obama first got dubbed the "Open Source President" less than a week after the election, because its clear what his sources are: Marx, King George III, Hitler.

Seriously, Retro... wtf would you post this puff piece?
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: Generalidea on January 27, 2009, 03:29:33 AM: I thought it was cool, don't be a dooooosh
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: Elite Evil on January 27, 2009, 02:15:38 PM: Quote from: jem on January 27, 2009, 01:02:02 AM
Obama first got dubbed the "Open Source President" less than a week after the election, because its clear what his sources are: Marx, King George III, Hitler.

Seriously, Retro... wtf would you post this puff piece?

You are a right wing extremist even compared to other Americans. ;D

I thought the article was okay, though there is a mistake with the referencing. :P
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: darkNiGHTS on January 27, 2009, 07:11:24 PM: Quote from: Elite Evil on January 27, 2009, 02:15:38 PM
You are a right wing extremist even compared to other Americans. ;D
I can honestly say I've never met anyone close to as right wing extremist as jem. And I live here.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: jem on January 27, 2009, 07:19:43 PM: You live in Ann Arbor (if memory serves me correctly)... your taxes would make me shudder, lol ;)
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: willplayer on January 27, 2009, 08:07:57 PM: I'm surprised Retro posted it also because most of his "news" pieces aren't political at all ;D
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: Generalidea on January 27, 2009, 08:50:06 PM: well its tech-related. does no one see that?? lol
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: jem on January 27, 2009, 10:00:22 PM: Barely. One line about the president being interested in open-source followed by a diatribe on how how "open" his presidency will be is hardly news. It's more editorial than anything.

On a related note, how "open" is Obama's presidency? Apparently not open enough to prove his constitutional eligibility.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: willplayer on January 28, 2009, 01:01:13 AM: Why can't you just accept that he was born in Hawaii? Is that not a state of the UNITED States? And you want to become a lawyer?
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: call_me_sir on January 28, 2009, 04:24:06 AM: Quote from: jem on January 27, 2009, 01:02:02 AM
its clear what his sources are: Marx, King George III, Hitler.
Hey, hey, hey.
HEY.

I was going to post some pro nazi jargon, but you probably wouldn't find it the least bit funny.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: willplayer on January 28, 2009, 09:22:54 AM: Quote from: jem on January 28, 2009, 03:19:54 AM
Will, how many times have we discussed this on IRC? You're a moron if you still think anyone should believe he was born in Hawaii without proof.

Dude ... what would you say if I was right? You always have to find a problem with him. Even if he IS from Kenya, then our own gov't fucked up with following its own Constitution, so fuckin what? Nowadays so many things can be twisted around, tons of policies are stepped on heavily. So what if he's from Kenya, or China or Japan. I don't see a birth certificate of his from Kenya, do you? I don't think his mom gave birth to him while she was in Kenya. She wasn't thinking "Oh, I'm with a bunch of Africans, I guess I'll give birth to him here." You have stereotyped that he is black and African American. His mom is CAUCASIAN. At any rate, Fox and CNN etc don't want to say anything about this stuff because, what if Obama pulls out the real deal and says fuck you guys, I was fucking born in Hawaii?

The fact that you call me a moron for believing that he was born from Hawaii closes this discussion from any further dispute. You won't win a fight if you call me a liar for something we're not even entirely sure about, I might be right for all we know, what then? Sure Obama might have spent 800k to defend his title, but what if I'm right regardless? Do you think the gov't gives a shit? Apparently not, they just put him into office. Go ahead and stop them for all I care.

And if I'm wrong, I take back all of this. But logically it just doesn't make sense that his mom traveled to Kenya, had a baby, and then said "OH SHIT NO, we need to fly to Hawaii real quick so we can get a BIRTH CERTIFICATE, otherwise he won't be able to be a President! Oh God what have I done!?" ::)

Quote from: Does Barack Obama have Kenyan citizenship?
No. He held both U.S. and Kenyan citizenship as a child, but lost his Kenyan citizenship automatically on his 21st birthday.

Even if he was born in Kenya and had citizenship there, he lost it once he turned 21. So ... all rhyme or reason of where he was actually born from is defaulted at Hawaii.

When it comes down to it, who the hell cares? Our country's fucked up, and you are one of the first to make note of this.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: retro_killa on January 28, 2009, 09:59:54 AM: [/b]Barack Hussein Obama II[/b] (pronounced /b??r??k h??se?n o??b??m?/; born August 4, 1961) is the 44th and current President of the United States. He is the first African American to hold the office. Obama was the junior United States Senator from Illinois from 2005 until he resigned following his 2008 election to the presidency. He was inaugurated as President on January 20, 2009.

Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he was the first African American president of the Harvard Law Review. He worked as a community organizer in Chicago prior to earning his law degree, and practiced as a civil rights attorney in Chicago before serving three terms in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. He also taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. Following an unsuccessful bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2000, Obama was elected to the Senate in November 2004. Obama delivered the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in July 2004.

As a member of the Democratic minority in the 109th Congress, Obama helped create legislation to control conventional weapons and to promote greater public accountability in the use of federal funds. He also made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. During the 110th Congress, he helped create legislation regarding lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for U.S. military personnel returning from combat assignments in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: retro_killa on January 28, 2009, 10:02:00 AM: Quote from: willwgp on January 28, 2009, 01:01:13 AM
Why can't you just accept that he was born in Hawaii? Is that not a state of the UNITED States? And you want to become a lawyer?

Barack Hussein Obama was born Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Hawaii. His father, Barack Obama, Sr., was born of Luo ethnicity in Nyanza Province, Kenya. He grew up herding goats with his own father, who was a domestic servant to the British. Although reared among Muslims, Obama, Sr., became an atheist at some point.

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Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: willplayer on January 28, 2009, 10:56:10 PM: He's already spent 150 million on his inauguration, why not spend a measly 1 million with these cases? Honestly, who cares if he's from another country. He's doing a better job than many other of those dumb jocks on the Republican side. Now tell me, what have you seen a Republican ever do for us that was incredibly lifechanging? How about smash down the World Trade Center? Terrorism at its finest and still no Osama Bin Ladin, like that'll really fix anything. He has a fine team working for him and a lot of breakthroughs will be reached thanks to Obama. McCain would've kept doing the same thing that Bush was doing for 8 years: NOTHING.

And apparently 5 million other people didn't see a problem with Obama's birth certificate, perhaps because it was LEGIT, did you ever consider that?
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: jem on January 28, 2009, 11:10:19 PM: This isn't a question of partisan politics, it's a question of constitutionality.

The inauguration money was public funds, not his own. And everyone who cares about the Constitution cares if he was born in another country. You can't pick and choose what provisions of the Constitution you think are important. When you start letting that question being decided by partisan politics, you are only asking for collapse.

Maybe when my candidate gets elected I'll support him ignoring the term limit amendment. Maybe he should ignore the election and use the army to back up his throne. <<<these are the problems that arise when you pick and choose portions of the Constitution to follow.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: willplayer on January 28, 2009, 11:35:18 PM: I'm assuming you're talking about Alan Keyes again ... that guy might be good to strive to follow the constitution line by line, but really do we want a robotic uniform society? I didn't.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: jem on January 28, 2009, 11:58:01 PM: Are you serious? Do you comprehend this issue at all?

The Constitution isn't a laundry list of rules for your everyday life. It's the framework of our government, ratified by the people. It is the supreme law of the land.

No party or politician can ignore its provisions because the Constitution is the supreme will of the people.

The Constitution created these political institutions. If Obama does not govern by the authority of the Constitution, then by what authority does he govern?
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: Adam Bomb 669 on January 29, 2009, 06:14:02 AM: ok so lets aproach this from a different perspective. is the patriot act constitutional? I dont believe it is.

Anyway wether you like it or not, Obama IS our president, and will be for at the least 4 years, more likely 8. And you can go ahead and fight that all you like cause guess what...... If this was a real issue then it would have been dealt with before he swore in, If you think you can do something about it, Try to get him impeached, stop preaching to us about it because we know the stories about his certificate are completely bogus and dont take that seriously any longer.

I understand not likeing a person, and even hating a person but you sound like nothing more than a fanboy, you will look for every little thing Obama does that you dont like. and guess what. I never saw Bushes birth certificate so I guess I should demand he personaly show me his huh? and that will get me as far as you saying he needs to prove to you he is a citizen.

and since your the religious type I have another question for you.
Why is pot, or any other substance grown in the ground illegal since you yourself have said you think our laws should be based around the bible. doesnt the bible say that anything that all plants are meant to be consumed in some form or another? going by that Pot, Cocaine, all that type of shit should be totaly legal. just a side question I was wondering about.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: willplayer on January 29, 2009, 07:21:47 AM: All those drugs kinda fuck you up man ... but there's nothing wrong with doing that stuff as far as the Bible goes. You are free to do whatever you want with your life, but don't abuse it or make it the number one thing in your life. A lot of people do. There are just a lot of better things to do out there than smoke pot all day. It's a plant, it comes from the dirt. Why can't we smoke it? I'm with ya on that one. If they make homosexual marriage legal, then they should make smoking marijuana legal. Only sounds fair to me! :)
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: call_me_sir on January 29, 2009, 08:21:23 AM: I've got to disagree with you Will, tobacco also comes from the ground and some people have it on good authority that it causes cancer. So smoking tobacco breaks the 6th commandment. I'm all for the legalization of marijuana, but I'm not sure that Biblically speaking there's nothing wrong with it.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: Adam Bomb 669 on January 29, 2009, 09:21:47 AM: Im not even a stoner, I just wanted to see where he would stand on that issue.
My grandmother smoked from the age of 14 and lived to 85, died in her sleep, never had cancer once, and its very rare that anyone on that side of the family gets cancer, infact of her 13 kids, one of there kids had cancer and none of hers did. So Id argue thats more to do with genetics than tobacco, and think of all the shit they add to cigs, thats what causes the cancer if anything. Id say its more accurate to say that smoking promotes the growth of cancer rather than it causes it.

at any rate, I think all natural drugs should be legal, just treat abuse of them drugs the same as you would alchohol.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: Elite Evil on January 29, 2009, 07:35:17 PM: Quote from: willwgp on January 29, 2009, 07:21:47 AM
but there's nothing wrong with doing that stuff as far as the Bible goes.

The Bible was based on the society of, in the more recent bits, 2000 years ago where cocaine abuse was probably not too big an issue. Instead the people who wrote the Bible were more concerned with stopping people having sex with their wives and killing them and scaring their children into obeying them.

Quote from: Adam Bomb 669 on January 29, 2009, 06:14:02 AM
I never saw Bushes birth certificate so I guess I should demand he personaly show me his huh? and that will get me as far as you saying he needs to prove to you he is a citizen.

What other nation could produce GW Bush?
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: jem on January 29, 2009, 08:25:48 PM: You know what? Even if Obama was born in Hawaii, his biological father was Kenyan, his adopted father was Indonesian, and Obama attended Indonesian Islamic school.

He should be disqualified from natural-born status based solely on that.

The whole reason for the natural-born citizenship requirement was to keep foreign influence out of US politics. I'd say foreign influence is pretty prevalent in Obama's life.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: willplayer on January 29, 2009, 10:19:47 PM: Jesus made water into wine for a festive wedding ... what an awesome guy he is! Don't you think he drank some of that himself? I think the idea here is, to drink, but don't overdo it! Smoke, but don't overdo it. And don't put your whole life into drinking and smoking or you'll just live a lazy fucked up life until you die. At least eat some veggies while you're at it, fuck if I know ;D
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: call_me_sir on January 30, 2009, 04:40:44 AM: I may be wrong, but I believe in Biblical times wine referred to both grape juice and alcohol, so when the word is used as a reference to alcohol it's followed with the phrase "strong drink".
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: willplayer on January 30, 2009, 06:56:46 AM: I dunno, I kinda feel like the wine Jesus made at the wedding wasn't just simply grape juice. ;D
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: willplayer on January 30, 2009, 07:49:14 AM: Thanks for calling us all morons ... moron ;D
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: jem on January 30, 2009, 08:01:21 AM: Well I'm not gonna complement you for making a bad decision!

We're all adults now, and it's time we become responsible for our own behavior.

I would quickly complement you for making the right choices!
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: Adam Bomb 669 on January 30, 2009, 08:06:02 AM: You have obviously never drank a beer or a shot in your life. otherwise you would see why people do such things.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: willplayer on January 30, 2009, 08:12:24 AM: BE A WARRIOR and DRINK ONE for me ... moron. :D
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: willplayer on January 30, 2009, 09:21:31 AM: Whatever you say man, I think you need to lighten up and relax, but apparently talking about Obama calms you down. Everyone has a preference. ;D
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: call_me_sir on January 30, 2009, 10:07:29 AM: I think it speaks volumes to jems character that he won't drink. You don't have to try everything to know that it just isn't you. I think "everything in moderation" is a good motto, but I also haven't consumed anything alcoholic in a while now. I think what he's saying is that taking any mind-altering substance is just escapism. I think that's pretty accurate.
Whether or not there's anything wrong with that is just based on your perspective.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: Adam Bomb 669 on January 31, 2009, 11:54:03 AM: I say Excess in moderation is the way to go.
dont eat a little bit of shrooms every day and see colors. eat the entire bag and see god. just dont do it every day.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: darkNiGHTS on January 31, 2009, 08:06:35 PM: Quote from: jem on January 29, 2009, 09:37:39 AM
You're talking to the wrong guy. I'd outlaw alcohol, too.

Drugs and alcohol are huge time-wasters. I prefer to spend my spare time learning history, politics, guitar, and plenty of other stuff.
So you're all for a smaller government that stays out of people's lives except for a few things that you believe in? Alcohol itself is not a time waster, it is used as one by many though just like a lot of things! I'd say video games are worse than Alcohol for being a time waster. I drink MAYBE once a month and when I do, I don't get drunk and I have a fun time with my friends. It's fun just sitting around someone's dorm room and having 2-3 to drink. Everyone still remembers the night and doesn't do anything they will regret the next day.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: jem on January 31, 2009, 08:31:10 PM: And I haven't even mentioned the damaging effect alcohol has on society. It lowers the people's inhibitions, and they do things they wouldn't normally do.
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Approximately four out of ten crimes, however, involve the use of alcohol. Alcohol also plays a role in four out of ten fatal automobile accidents. As reported in the National Crime Victimization Survey maintained by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, persons who were victimized by an intimate acquaintance such as a former spouse, boyfriend, or girlfriend, reported alcohol was involved 66 percent of the time. Those victimized by a current spouse listed alcohol as a factor in 75 percent of the offenses. In contrast, about 31 percent of violent stranger-to-stranger criminal acts involved alcohol.

Then there's the cascading effect of drunk parents leading to broken homes, leading to poor child rearing, leading to the children growing up to be less than they should be. Then the kids don't know how to teach their own children, because a good example was never set for them.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: Adam Bomb 669 on January 31, 2009, 10:28:49 PM: if I had to pretend to be a christian, Id drink a whole hell of a lot more than I do now. and heavier content alcohol too.
You want to talk about someone sounding like hitler when I mention simple things like child licenses, you sound way more like hitler when you say everyone should be christian and believe in god. whats your sollution to those who wont? Kill them? deport them? your idea about natural sellection eventualy removing them from society is goofy at best.

and heres some more realistic statistics on alcohol.
aproximately 7 out of ten crimes that were supposedly commited while under the influence were most likely situations where someone had half a beer and there wife started hitting them so they deffended themselves by holding her down so the bitch calls the cops and gets him arrested. Of course they wont list any stat like that cause lets face it, that doesnt make for a great story. those statistics you listed are as accurate as truth's anti smoking comercials. Ill let you in on a secret, damn near every thing they say in them ads are lies. and wether you think its okay for them to lie or not is beside the point, its not okay for them to lie. If I went on tv and made comercials that say one out of five mollestation charges are filed on Obama, he would have free reign to sue the shit out of me for it. but its perfectly okay for them to do that about smokers and drinkers. I would bet it would be more accurate for me to say four out of ten acts of violence are christians who dont like someone cause they arent white enough today, or because they dont follow the same religion as that person like a sheep.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: jem on January 31, 2009, 11:47:24 PM: Quote from: Adam Bomb 669 on January 31, 2009, 10:28:49 PM
you sound way more like hitler when you say everyone should be christian and believe in god. whats your sollution to those who wont? Kill them? deport them?

Oh please. Don't try and make sharing one's faith sound like a crime.

And you're being ridiculous if you think Christians would kill or deport those who won't willingly convert. And you obviously have no idea what Christianity is. Christians don't violently force their faith on anyone, because we believe that you can't force anyone to be heartfelt and repent. It's not a cultural thing or just another religion; Christ is the truth. I'm not trying to pass on my beliefs so I can die thinking I "earned points for my team".

I think you're thinking of Muslims, who have always spread their religion by the sword - and who only tolerate Judaism and Christianity when Islam controls the government and everyone lives under Shariah law.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: willplayer on February 01, 2009, 01:12:45 AM: I want some popcorn ... who wants popcorn?! :)
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: Generalidea on February 01, 2009, 10:37:30 AM: I dunno, Christianity has been a part of a good few wars :\ why are there 3 pages of this nonsense and its not been moved to the flame arena yet?
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: Adam Bomb 669 on February 01, 2009, 11:28:44 AM: Quote from: jem on January 31, 2009, 11:47:24 PM
Oh please. Don't try and make sharing one's faith sound like a crime.

And you're being ridiculous if you think Christians would kill or deport those who won't willingly convert. And you obviously have no idea what Christianity is. Christians don't violently force their faith on anyone, because we believe that you can't force anyone to be heartfelt and repent. It's not a cultural thing or just another religion; Christ is the truth. I'm not trying to pass on my beliefs so I can die thinking I "earned points for my team".

I think you're thinking of Muslims, who have always spread their religion by the sword - and who only tolerate Judaism and Christianity when Islam controls the government and everyone lives under Shariah law.
you prety much said that our country should be entirely christian.
christianity and christ are as much the truth as the truth anti smoking comercials are.

I have a question for you. How many american soldiers have died because of Obama's decisions? None as of yet have died from his decisions
And How many have died because of those of Bush. Thousands, many many thousands
How many american wars have there been? How many have been based on anything other than the religious biggotry of Catholics or Christians? Not many, Likely not enough to count on one full hand of fingers.

your idea of sharing ones faith to me sounds more like forcing your narrow minded opinions on others. another question I ask of you. Lets say the bible was never released and no one ever heard of the bible and someone made it today, exact same words and all, how many people would buy it and say "yeah this sounds totaly logical, makes perfect sense."? NONE. none at all, it would be treated the same as hairy potter, a fiction book, which it is 100% fiction. There is no denying that, and there is no disproving that. so what makes you honestly believe that christ is the truth? Blind faith? thats the only answer realy. I have as much faith that neo, luke, and hairy exist as I do in jesus. and the only difference between those is if I believed any of the others besides jesus existed, Id be considered insane and possibly locked in an institution, but jesus, yeah totaly acceptable and sane. Why is that? cause its been shoved down the face of the entire planets population for so long that many just accept it as if it were real. Santa is fake, the tooth fairy is fake, the easter bunny is fake, goblins are fake, zombies are fake, vampires are fake, but god and jesus are real. makes perfect sense doesnt it?
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: xdanxx on February 02, 2009, 12:01:43 AM: Quote from: willwgp on January 28, 2009, 09:22:54 AM
So what if he's from Kenya, or China or Japan.

then hes not eligible for presidency in the united states. get over it. Seriously didn't his own grandmother say she saw him born in kenya?
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: jem on February 02, 2009, 12:23:29 AM: It's irrelevant. If Obama was born in Hawaii he is still not a natural born citizen.

A natural born citizen must be born to two US citizens (on US soil). And Obama admits his father is Kenyan.

It's a huge dispute what the real definition of a natural-born citizen is, but that's it... and any other law that confers natural-born status upon someone with only one parent being a US citizen is unconstitutional.

(McCain is also not a natural born citizen, because he was born on Panamanian soil. Just because he was born to 2 US citizens does not meet the soil requirement.)
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: xdanxx on February 02, 2009, 12:58:15 AM: Quote from: jem on January 30, 2009, 07:22:18 AM
So whether the Bible expressly condemns all drinking or not, you're still a moron for drinking. Have some self-control.

right, and because someone does something that you don't do, that makes them a moron. Thats as ignorant as someone who doesn't play games, calling someone who does play games a moron, because it "does nothing." Well it clearly does do something, it entertains.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: jem on February 02, 2009, 02:02:22 AM: Playing video games is harmless entertainment.

Drinking actually causes damage to your body. It's a poison that damages your liver, brain, and probably everything else the blood comes in contact with. It dehydrates you and slows your reaction time. When you drink you lose your ability to make rational decisions, and any number of problems could occur. Without your rationality, you turn into a dangerous animal - capable of driving drunk or hurting/killing other people.

I'm not calling anyone a moron for harmlessly entertaining themselves; I'm calling them morons for purposely engaging in irresponsible behavior knowing full-well the personal and societal consequences/implications of their actions.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: call_me_sir on February 02, 2009, 02:21:41 AM: I actually agree with you, but obviously people have a right to make what some people would call irresponsible decisions. I do things that some people would call irresponsible or damaging, I'm sure you do too. I'm also a Christian, but obviously I can't prove it to anyone, anymore than I can disprove the theory of evolution. So from where I'm sitting, I don't see the point in arguing about anything that can't be proven. Even with things you actually can prove, when was the last time you got into an argument with anyone, ending with them coming around to your point of view?
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: xdanxx on February 02, 2009, 08:18:36 AM: Quote from: jem on February 02, 2009, 02:02:22 AM
Playing video games is harmless entertainment.

wrong again my friend, it can be bad for your eyes, and kids have killed themselves over wow, not to mention all the killings supposedly sparked by first person shooters. Its very elitist of you to say what people should and shouldn't do for fun, and if someone sits at home and "damages" there body, this doesn't make them any less of a person.

Get off your high horse, you come off as an asshole and you are going to have a hell of a time keeping friends/relationships being judgmental.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: willplayer on February 03, 2009, 09:07:11 AM: And this is just a never ending story :)

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Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: darkNiGHTS on February 04, 2009, 06:57:06 AM: Quote from: jem on January 31, 2009, 08:27:52 PM
Sure, I'm all for gov't that stays out of people's lives. But I'm not welcoming the eradication of public morals. The goal is to return America to what once made it so great: Christian people who obey God's will, coupled with a government that does not tax us to death to push the failed ideology of socialism. If everyone was Christian, we wouldn't need huge detailed legislation to control things. You wouldn't need to outlaw alcohol, because no one would drink it of their own volition.
Plenty of Christian people drink alcohol, I don't know where you're getting that from.
Title: Re: Obama taps Sun's McNealy for open source advice
Post by: jem on February 04, 2009, 07:02:12 AM: Yea, and a third of American Christians also think Jesus sinned and the word of God is fallible.